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*lemming* · Nov 29, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Your post started off well, but then you completely ignored the original point from there. The game has changed. If I had played extensively in Prophecies, quit the game for 2 years, then came back, I would be shocked at how different the game is. It would be like having to learn an entirely new game (as opposed to relearning what I already knew). This isn't even close to what it used to be. Thus, the fact that we can't compare still remains.

Most elements of basic individual micro are still going to be holding over. Provided that, adapting to a completely different metagame shouldn't be as hard as it is for a random new player to pick up.

Red Sonya · Nov 29, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Why should you expect tolerance for underperforming? Sure, you can claim that you're not taking it seriously, because 'it's just a game,' but why should you expect anyone else to be as nonchalant about it?

Because as I stated I play the game for "MY" entertainment and benefit. I didn't buy it to entertain OTHERS or care what they think about how I play MY character. See, I never tell others how to play their characters or what builds to make or even call them BAD players. I am INDIFFERENT as long as I don't get any flak over how "I" play or what builds I use. Even if I do I just ignore it BECAUSE and here's the MAIN POINT ABOUT IT ALL: NO ONE, NOBODY CAN STOP ANOTHER PLAYER FROM BUILDING AND USING THE BUILD THEY USE in these special arenas: RA, FA, JQ, and portions of AB! So, why say anything about it, you either get your ownself into a tizzy or just start some flaming war nobody wins. Arguing is like the Special Olympics, no matter if you win or lose you're still a retard (or something like that lol).

So, either play your character and be happy with that or just don't play in RA, FA, JQ and that small portion of AB you are a part of. I would think most of you should know by now when you TELL someone how to play, you're just going to make them do the opposite if they have any balls about them at all. Of course some kids are influencial, but, I would think most adults aren't. Of course it's everyones right to do what THEY want to do within the game as I said. So, if you like being a dickhead and try to tell others how to play and what builds to use, go right ahead. I'm just saying it will never work with ME!

And I build some kicking stomping good/bad builds that beat other players who are using cookie cutter socalled best builds with my builds and that's the entertainment I get and all I care about. Then when I kill them I DANCE ON THEIR HEADS! and yes LAUGH hahahahaha

What Now · Nov 29, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Its RA, its where PvErs go to learn PvP and realize that 350 hp eles with 2 sups and full energy gear FOR BIG DAMAGE might not be the best way to go. And they eventually beat enough teams of other baddies to get into TA, and yea, that's about it.

I'd agree though. I use to be a total loser til most my friends quit then I end up one of the top players on my list o.O going from average to good when nothing happened but the top tier of your friends migrated doesn't really prove a thing..didn't really improve that much..

Got to halls yesterday with a flare ele who I had to explain what fame was and such as we went along since it was a ventless pug. But being the only monk I still could SB all the spikes since people didn't realize that shooting the target before you call =GIVE OFF.

Kawil · Nov 29, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Skill level gone down? Ya, I think it has.

I remember a couple of years ago when I first started that GW was more of a social game where peeps helped each other. You got in with a decent guild maybe and learned the ropes, so to speak. Everyone came up together and got better playing with each other and, in turn, got better in general.

Now (and this is not an accusation) peeps can't wait to get run to Droks or through the dessert (only using Prophs as example). No one plays through the game anymore. I'm a fan of having max armor but in the end, you die just as quickly with max or min armor if you don't know how to play your char.

I remember my first char got a run to Droks by a friend to get my max armor. I wasn't lvl 20 yet and I didn't even think about getting leveled...it just didn't enter my mind (which seems to be the norm nowadays). Hell, I went back to where I was...which was LA I believe...and continued from there. Did the jungle (who EVER does the jungle now?) went on the normal story and finished. My guildies and I died many times but we learned, had fun and finished the game....together.

So ya, skill has gone down but I think we're all a little guilty for letting it get that way. We all want the quick and easy farming build, weps, elite armors and titles. We think we'll just get to 20 and the world opens up because we're leet. What we fail to think of is the experience of playing and having fun with others. Maybe patience is a virtue after all?

Burst Cancel · Nov 29, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Because as I stated I play the game for "MY" entertainment and benefit. I didn't buy it to entertain OTHERS or care what they think about how I play MY character. See, I never tell others how to play their characters or what builds to make or even call them BAD players. I am INDIFFERENT as long as I don't get any flak over how "I" play or what builds I use. Even if I do I just ignore it BECAUSE and here's the MAIN POINT ABOUT IT ALL: NO ONE, NOBODY CAN STOP ANOTHER PLAYER FROM BUILDING AND USING THE BUILD THEY USE in these special arenas: RA, FA, JQ, and portions of AB!

This is the kind of sickening thinking that breeds mediocrity and willful ignorance; not just in games, but in everything. Incompetence and idiocy run rampant exactly because too many people sit around on their fat asses asking, "why should I give a shit?" Whatever happened to "anything worth doing is worth doing well"?

Frankly, we need fewer carebears out there whining to have their feelings coddled. Try owning up to your deficiencies and working to fix them, instead of closing your eyes and screaming like a child about how "you can't make me! you aren't the boss of me! wah wah wah!"

Tyla · Nov 29, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

This is the kind of sickening thinking that breeds mediocrity and willful ignorance; not just in games, but in everything. Incompetence and idiocy run rampant exactly because too many people sit around on their fat asses asking, "why should I give a shit?" Whatever happened to "anything worth doing is worth doing well"?

Frankly, we need fewer carebears out there whining to have their feelings coddled. Try owning up to your deficiencies and working to fix them, instead of closing your eyes and screaming like a child about how "you can't make me! you aren't the boss of me! wah wah wah!"

This. I've always hated attitudes like that. It always shows that the person saying that will probably turn out to be pretty terrible at everything thrown at them. At least from what I've seen.

Abedeus · Nov 29, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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run to Droks or through the dessert

I'd like some whipped cream on my Iceforged Armor.

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This is the kind of sickening thinking that breeds mediocrity and willful ignorance; not just in games, but in everything. Incompetence and idiocy run rampant exactly because too many people sit around on their fat asses asking, "why should I give a shit?" Whatever happened to "anything worth doing is worth doing well"?

I think it's one of the first steps of becoming an emo. Because pessimists/ego-centrics have only two choices:

1. Overcome your meekness and just go "meh" all the time at everything, while still, on those rare occasions, getting hopes up. Like myself. But whatever.

or 2. Become emo and slash slash till you bleed out. Oh, and dye your hair black/uglypurple, pierce your tongue/chin/other things (blerh) and keep talking about how life sucks and you want to die.

Also, I hate when someone says "It's my game, I'm playing for myself and only I matter!". Jesus Christ, play single-player games, not a TEAM player! There is no "I" in team, the team is just as strong as the weakest member, so if you are weak and you don't care to get better, don't play or don't ruin the game for 7 other people (or more in AB).

"-We won, thanks to teamwork.
- Yeah, MY teamwork."

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This. I've always hated attitudes like that. It always shows that the person saying that will probably turn out to be pretty terrible at everything thrown at them. At least from what I've seen.

Haha, if I agreed with him, you agree with me. IN YOUR FACE!

Killed u man · Nov 29, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

My Graph will explain all:

No need to give additional information with it, everyone should understand.

Tyla · Nov 29, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Haha, if I agreed with him, you agree with me. IN YOUR FACE!

Actually, considering I posted first in agreement with him, you're agreeing with me.

Abedeus · Nov 29, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Not really, I tried to make a CONSTRUCTIVE post instead of +1'ing.

So if I was going to just "oh I agree with you", I would post first. Ha-ha.

[DE] · Nov 29, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

People who are bad at the game like to pretend they don't care - they run gimmicks because they don't take skill or they run bad builds so that they can place the blame elsewhere. It's really that simple.

Red Sonya is a perfect example of this. They'll do what the want so that their excuse for failing can be not caring! Displacement of blame is genius!

Cobalt · Nov 29, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I do not think that skill has declined, I think GW is getting old everything has been done to death most items are now common place except for drops from top tier or high-end areas.

This has forced a mass migration to try and farm these last remaining frontiers so to speak, however some of these areas are flat out overpowered particulary in HM. Thus the normal pug player can not cope and from appearances they might look as if they are just unskilled but that is not really the case at all.

Some of these areas were made entirely to difficult for the average player in fact some can only be run my gimmick team builds and specific farm builds which take a lot of practice and time to hone.

There is a challenge then their is just stupid and ANet cross way over the stupid line in these places.

byteme! · Nov 29, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

I do not think that skill has declined, I think GW is getting old everything has been done to death most items are now common place except for drops from top tier or high-end areas.

This has forced a mass migration to try and farm these last remaining frontiers so to speak, however some of these areas are flat out overpowered particulary in HM. Thus the normal pug player can not cope and from appearances they might look as if they are just unskilled but that is not really the case at all.

Some of these areas were made entirely to difficult for the average player in fact some can only be run my gimmick team builds and specific farm builds which take a lot of practice and time to hone.

There is a challenge then their is just stupid and ANet cross way over the stupid line in these places.

Agreed. DoA should not be dead. Having only guild groups and a select few pugs doing DoA is bad. Everyone should have a chance. Having only self proclaimed elite players monopolize an area because they think only they belong there is wrong and bad. There is no place for people like this anywhere in any game. This behaviour needs to be addressed. Of course this subject will be bias. Self proclaimed elite players see nothing wrong with this and will do whatever it takes to prove you otherwise. Even writing in fan forums with a wall of text. The bigger the words, the more convincing they become. Some of us are smarter then that and see right through it all.

bhavv · Nov 29, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

See, unlike red sonya, when I used to play in serious groups for either PVE or PVP, I would always ping my build and ask 'Is that ok or do you want something else?'. If asked to change builds, I do so without hesitation. My retarded fun in RA is just done because I have now quit playing with others, I hardly ever play PVE or organised forms of PVP anymore, and RA is all I log in to play and I want to fool around and have fun.

I know when I am playing a silly build and do it for the luls. I remembered that after I got my Macro keyboard, I went smite spiking in HB with 4 monks using Ray of Judgement. It absolutely destroyed every bad player I came across, but failed against good players, but I wasnt playing it as a serious build, I just thought 'lol 4 smite monks would be fun', and played unrated battles purely for fun with a team of hero smiters.

Im simply bored of playing seriously all the time, but I wont ever play a lame build if I join a group, just in randomway and with heroes.

Oh yea, I also remember facing a team of 8 hammer monks in HA once and they were completely unkillable o.O. They owned us so hard it was unbelievable. I would sooo like to run 8 hammer, or scythe monks in HA to have a blast.

Avarre · Nov 29, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

You two (cobalt and byteme!) honestly don't see the problem with having every area completable by the 'average player'? Including elite areas?

byteme! · Nov 30, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Avarre

You two (cobalt and byteme!) honestly don't see the problem with having every area completable by the 'average player'? Including elite areas?

Whatever problem you invision is negligable. For the sake of participation, livelihood, and the bottom line "fun" for everyone I say the only problem is there isn't enough people playing DoA. Having more people increases my overall gaming experience. I meet more interesting people. You however hate pugging which is your perogative and not the rule of thumb. But forget about me for a second. I'm referring to everyone else who hasn't had a chance. If "good " players want to flex their muscle they have GvG. Where they can prove their self worth against an equal and opposite opponent. Flashing their emotes as they raise in rank or move up in the guild ladder.

I would like to personally see in official writing where it says DoA belongs to good players only. I would also like to see in writing where it's deemed better for the game. Thus far I see failure.

"If you do what you've always done. You'll get what you've always gotten". If you want the game to be better some things need to change. We cannot allow certain factions of people dictate how GW is run. It hasn't worked. The proof is in the pudding.

lord of all tyria · Nov 30, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

"Elite area", "Hard Mode".

Surely these should be hard, or perhaps only completable by decent people?

DreamWind · Nov 30, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

Most elements of basic individual micro are still going to be holding over. Provided that, adapting to a completely different metagame shouldn't be as hard as it is for a random new player to pick up.

I would agree with you if it was only the metagame that changed. The ENTIRE game changed.

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Originally Posted by bytime!

I would like to personally see in official writing where it says DoA belongs to good players only. I would also like to see in writing where it's deemed better for the game.

Are you serious? Why even have elite areas at all if everybody and their mother can do them? Why not just call every area in the game a scrub area and have no challenges in the game whatsoever? That's called bad game design in every sense of the word.

byteme! · Nov 30, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by lord of all tyria

"Elite area", "Hard Mode".

Surely these should be hard, or perhaps only completable by decent people?

EXACTLY!!!!! There are ALOT more decent players then we care to recognize. But these people don't exist in the eyes of the self proclaimed "good" players. And yes I do agree 110% that any decent people should be able to participate not just guild groups and the like.

I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with me or not but you sure are adding fuel to my fire.

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Are you serious? Why even have elite areas at all if everybody and their mother can do them? Why not just call every area in the game a scrub area and have no challenges in the game whatsoever? That's called bad game design in every sense of the word.

Hey if a "bad" player can't beat an elite area that's his problem. I'm not saying DoA needs to be dumbed down that drastically. You're taking it out of context. But scaring away even half decent players???? What's the point in that?

While we are at it, lets buff UW up to insane proportions seeing as though alot of PuGs there fail on a daily basis. Lets remove them and keep it mutually exclusive to good players. Bad/decent players get bored with nothing to do and quit playing. Excellent game design. Good way to get rid of a player base.

Avarre · Nov 30, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Average - typical; common; ordinary
Master - being a master of some occupation, art, etc.; eminently skilled

The two above terms, being relative, are mutually exclusive.